I am getting a lot of Inquiries and Questions about the new breed called a BOZ SHEPHERD being imported and marketed as Giant Livestock Guardian Dogs.
1) We have seen on the Internet, that these dogs are bred to be sport fighters. Are they still being used for fighting? Why are they being marketed as an LGD?
TWD: From my research and personal knowledge, the Boz Shepherd originated in Istanbul, Pakistan about 7 years ago, and is promoted and sold by a Pakistani Dog Fight Promotor, Akin Tulubus, dba BOZ KENNEL and NATURAL BORN GUARDIANS and being imported to the US by his partner in Texas. The Boz, is a hybrid mix of the Kangal dog, Bully Kutta,Tosa,Azawahk Hound, and English Mastiff. They were bred specifically for Sport fighting ,and are currently used in the fight ring, along with other breeds as well, such as the Bully Kutta. Fighting is a major sport in Pakistan. Although dog fighting is officially banned by the Pakistani government, thousands of spectators and hundreds of dogs take part in the annual competition, and weekly local matches. According to Mr Peckinpagh, Texas Importer,The Boz Shepherd has dominated the Fighting tournaments in Pakistan and other regions, winning 5 of 8 National Championships.
Please see the videos down below. It is obvious that these fights are not being humanely conducted to only test the aggression of the guardian dogs as sires, as the Breeders would have you believe.
These dogs are subjected to extreme cruelty , painful and bloody battles for nothing more than usually $55 - $100 to the winner, or sometimes a TV. The losing dogs are sometimes shot,drowned, dragged to death, burned, and tortured to death as they have shamed their masters. There are hundreds of spectators at these fights, hollering and cheering on, as the dogs rip each others flesh. They have concessions set up and BarBQ.. Big Party! (see videos)
They also turn these dogs on Pigs, lions, and Bears in the arena, and let them torture the poor things to death, for nothing more than the amusement of the spectators. Breeders admit they do this to show how brave the dog is, but if you notice in the videos, there are several dogs against the one bear or pig. I saw as many as 20 dogs chewing and tearing the flesh of the 1 little pig. Not so brave~ MEAN! But not nearly as mean and cruel as the humans who train them to do this.
As for the Boz Shepherd being marketed for a Livestock Guardian. They have Kangal blood in them, so I was willing to give them a try, (before I knew the truth about them being fighting dogs), but ...the Boz I tried did not work out at all. Much too aggressive with what they are guarding, and to the partner dogs. The Boz will run away from the herd to chase a predator, and will keep going for miles, leaving the herd vulnerable.The dogs need to prioritize staying near their flock over chasing predators. The job is to protect the flock, not hunt down and kill the predators.
The female Boz that I acquired from Brian Peckinpaugh in Texas, fought and attacked every dog she was around, and when she got 8 months old, for no reason at all, she attacked a 3 mo old Great Pyr pup and tore her throat out, so I am through with the Boz dog myself. They need to stay in the fight ring where they came from. The Boz Shepherds being imported, are producing Elbow dysplasia and I do know that the Importer had several that died from parvo and distemper, so they are not being properly vaccinated.
2) Do you know anything about the Boz Shepherds being imported into Texas, and whether they have been certified against diseases, such as Extreme Elbow Dysplasia and Distemper and Parvo?
TWD: I will try to answer these questions with complete honesty to the extent of my knowledge. Please feel free to also contact the Texas Importer as well, who raises them.
The only Boz imports that I have personal knowledge of , are owned by Akin Tulubas and Brian Peckinpaugh dba Boz Kennels Texas , "Monster Malaks" , and Natural Born Guardians in Palestine, Texas, which is just 60 miles from me.
There are internet rumors that claim Mr. Peckinpaugh is training fighting dogs and also training dogs to attack humans, which, in my opinion,goes against everything that a respectable LGD breeder should be doing, He claims that his dogs are safe with children and pets. He denies that he is training dogs for fighting and attack work.
I dont know about you, but I sure dont want one of them turning on me out in the field.
QUOTE BY BRIAN PECKINPAUGH: " In Turkey, the Boz have dominated the Fighting tournaments, winning 5 of 8 national championships since brought out of the mountains. But only time will tell, and hopefully my now 9 month old pups will have an opportunity to be tested some day."
On one hand he claims he is trying to convert, and market the BOZ as livestock guardians, not as fighters.
Then on the other hand, he is training them for violence against humans, and says he hopes his young dogs will prevail in the fight rings.
His partner and business associate, Akin Tulubas, who founded the Boz Name for these dogs, is a well known , major dog fighter in Pakistan. He owns the National Fighting Champion Dog , named "Quink Bozo".and many other well known fighting dogs, and is presently very active in dog fighting. See Videos
BOZ KENNEL remarks on Facebook
Boz Kennel best fight dog i ever seen !! bully kutta-tosa -boz mix!!!!
Monday at 1:04am
Jacks Gladiators Haha.....youre right^^
Monday at 1:05am
Mr. Peckinpaugh reported to me that he does not x-ray and OFA certify or prelim his dogs.
I know of 3 cases of Severe Elbow Dysplasia in puppies that came out of Brian Peckinpaugh's dogs. Two had to be euthanized, and I own the other one, that I acquired from Mr. Peckinpaugh at Natural Born Guardians, that will sadly, and probably, meet the same fate. I did make him aware of the disease 5 months ago. He also had 15 puppies that recently died from Parvo.
As for the bacterial disease. Yes, Brian P. imported 2 Boz Pups 2 years ago from Mr. Tullubas and they also both died from Parvo. A Lady in Las Vegas purchased and imported a dog from them that died from Distemper. You can go to her website for statements about her dealings with them www.LGDNevada.com
) her name is Brenda Negri.
This is a case where the dogs simply were not vaccinated. Pitiful.
For people who are selling puppies for $4,000 - $5,000, as they claim they do, you would think they could spend a few bucks on vaccines.
At Texas Working Dogs, the puppies and dogs are always vaccinated against disease.
3) Is it true, that they are being diagnosed with dibilitating elbow and joint disease , known as Elbow Dysplasia?
TWD: yes, see above
4) What breeds do they come from?
TWD: depends on who you ask... but their heritage is reported by their founder to be, Turkish Kangal, Bully Kutta,Tosa, Tazi Greyhound (sighthound). It is obvious to me that some of them also have some English Mastiff. You will see 3 different types of heads on them. The large Mastiff head, the small Labrador looking head, and the Kangal Dog head, which shows me that they are mixed several different ways. With their genetic history..there is no telling.
5) Does TWD approve of, condone, or participate in dog fighting?
TWD: Absolutely NOT. It is a cruel and heartless sport, and anyone participating should be convicted. It is a felony in the US. In fact, it is so bad, that it has been outlawed in Pakistan, but they have so few police to enforce the law, that it continues to thrive without any restraints.
6) Are these dogs really as large as they are portrayed to be? Can an LGD function properly if they are that big?
TWD: Absolutely not. The Boz Shepherd I acquired from Natural Born Guardians, is actually the smallest dog I own. Most of the photos of these giant dogs, are greatly exagerated , and are pictures that I have been seeing on the Internet for 15 years and I dare say there were no Boz Shepherds back then. Most of the photos they are showing of the Giant dogs are actually Turkish Kangal Dogs from the past , not Boz.
As in any breed, there will be a dog appear every now and then that is much bigger than most, but as an average , I will say that most Boz are around 100 lbs.
Dont get me wrong.. Anatolian Shepherds,Great Pyrenees, and Kangal Dogs are , by standards, very big dogs, when compared to other breeds, and I consider my dogs bigger than most.
Most of the pictures portraying Boz Shepherds are taken with the dog raring up on the shoulders of either a small child or a very shot man, such as Mr, Tulubas, who is below 5' tall, in an attempt to make the dog appear larger than he really is.
You see this same ploy in the pictures of the so called Giant Wolves, where they hold the carcass up under his arms making him look bigger, but put them on 4 legs and they are the size a wolf has always been.. 75 lbs avg.
It is best to ask any breeder who advertises or implies that they sell GIANT Boz shepherds, for a vets statement of weight and height of his sire and dam before purchasing a puppy (if size is a concern)
The only way to estimate a pups outcome is to look at the sire and dam, and average .
I will say this....if you buy a very large breed dog, the bigger he is, the bigger your chances of Hip dysplasia ,or ED, so be sure and know the OFA history of the parents, the breeders, or insist on xrays. If they are old enough to breed, they are old enough to be x-rayed.
7) Is it safe to have a Boz Shepherd around children and as pets?
TWD: At this time, I do not reccomend the Boz Shepherd as a Livestock Guardian or as a pet, and certainly not around children or beloved pets.
At this time, the only information we have on them is as a fighting dog, and the videos and pictures portray them as vicious and aggressive animals.
The Boz dog I own has been extremely aggressive and all she wants to do is fight. She is gentle with me but I cant trust her to be around children. Just not enough history on this cross breed.
I have recently had her (My Boz) in a large enclosure with 2 other dogs , who are guarding our weaned pups, and she did good for a while, but this week, she attacked one of my Great Pyr pups and killed it for no reason at all, so she can no longer be trusted to guard anything. She has Elbow Dysplasia and will probably have to be put to sleep anyway.
I saw on the Internet, where one of these Texas bred BOZ'z was fighting, and turned on his master and injured his arm badly.
There is simply not enough history as LGD's to trust them with valuable livestock or our beloved children and pets.
I will have to see some Clear OFA results and reports of these dogs for 5 years as successful guardians before I can endorse them to my customers. You simply cannot trust the reports of some breeder who has invested thousands of dollars to import these dogs, and is desperate to regain his investment.
The test of a true guardian dog is for it to be out in a large, open, range, (not the breeders back yard) exposed to various predators for 6 months. Then go do a head count of your livestock and dogs.
8) Does The Boz Shepherd stay with their flock, or do they wander off?
TWD: The Boz Shepherd has to be restrained inside of an enclosure, or they will wander off. They may return, and they may not.
Testaments from others:
Re: Malakli-Guregh-Nevsehir-(beyaz):Formerly Boz Shepherd To
by Coban » 26 May 2012 18:17
(This comment below was directed to Brian Peckinpaugh/ partner of Akin Tulubas dog fighter) please visit the Facebook page, Boycott Boz Kennels to see all comments on them. https://www.facebook.com/groups/348704575152140/#!/groups/243260019107686/
You choose to continue to support Tulubas and that is your decision.....
This information above on the topic name change was not conjured up by me, but rather sent to me by a couple of friends in Turkey...
Do you know what they call you there? "Akins last chance"
He has only three dogs of his own left... his money people have mostly pulled out on him because of the hassel he has become and they have taken their dogs back including Gumus. He is now buying puppies from Anatolia to fill his orders and it is suspected that they will all be sold as BOZ from his kennel even though that is a lie.
And then there is this little issue (posted here directly from my friend in Turkey): "there is volkodov breed akin got from Georgian Turk named graf Von Bozkennel well he was training this dog on empty stomach, and feeding him bread and water, to save on food , and on top of it, he was fighting this young dog, it collapsed during fight and died . The owners of this dog are pissed, as they found out from the vet, that it's stomach turned. Akins backers are leaving him"
This is the rest of the communication that is fit to print about your dear friend and brother (yes, I know the Akin schmooze)
"from istanbul to end if turkey you can maybe find 1 person who say akin is good, but the rest will tell you he is a liar and crook. He is good at talking and taking pictures, and making a sale. He is like a leach. When he is done, he moves on to a different person. This guy is not stable . He should be on meds. People who backed him, with money, now are not backing him, including Mehmet Ali balak, and he is out, and he only has 3 dogs in the Boz kennel. His only hope of surviving is the Texas man, "Brian."
The final bit of information is that Akin and his mentor brought these different regional dogs together, bred them, and named themselves Bozkennel....
And the following along with that is: "Health problems are rampant , many akins boz type dogs have problems, eyes, hips, legs, so on"
Now, before you call me a liar, or say that information comes from a disgruntled breeder in Turkey that Akin bested with better dogs etc... I will tell you it did not. These sources are upstanding older breeders etc... in Turkey... and no, I will not include their names here or to you privatly as I know you would go immediatly to Tulubas with that information. Turkey is still a little western to say the least, and these gentle folks do not deserve to be screwed with by Akin or his dirtbag friends.....
May 26 at 10:00pm
Re: LGD's and Large Predators
by mamodei » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:11 am
MonsterMalak (aka Brian Peckinpaugh/ Natural Born Guardians wrote: The term testing arena is refering to the cultural practice of the Turkish people fighting their dogs to better select the ones most capable to be able to challenge the larger predators.
I would think that fighting the dogs would identify those animals unsuited to guardian work. Dog aggression is an asset for a fighting dog, but definitiely a liability to working dogs. The best are the dogs that meet the world with judgement, not aggression. LGDs need to work with other LGDs and need to work side by side with stock dogs moving the flock. There is good reason to be wary of dogs where aggression has been prioritized. LGDs do have exposure to the public and any incidents with LGDs affect all shepherds, not just those who own the dogs involved.
The best dogs to protect the flock against large predators are the ones doing the best job protecting against large predators.
Humans are always working to judge and weight the individual attributes that go into a good working dog. I'm running a young male BC here that is not particularly bold, not great flanks, not a great stopper, as stylish as a cinder block. Basically he lacks almost all the attributes we humans identify and look for in a good working stock dog. But he has this mind that seems to know what the job is and pays attention to how to do it. For tough jobs he is my first choice, despite having two very good older bitches that have all of the recognizable attributes that he lacks. It is the overall package that counts, which you only see by having the dog do the job on a daily basis to see whether they are successful.
None of this means you don't have excellent dogs, but those who are getting dogs to protect their sheep want to know that the dogs can protect sheep, on their own, in large pastures or on the range. The dogs need to prioritize staying near their flock over chasing predators. The job is to protect the flock, not hunt down and kill the predators.
TWD completely agrees with the above Testament
This left on the forum last evening:
Okay thinking back, some years ago I recall Akin referring referring to us westerners as "christian scum" on a forum - think that alone tells a lot about him as a person.. Not to mention the unstable, weak-nerved puppy he sold to Hugo and of course the elbow dysplastic female he sold to Brenda....
It's becoming clearer now. Wonder of that Turkish dog fighting enthusiast in Holland still supports him...
May 27 at 10:10am
Natural Born Guardians Kennels, (Brian Peckinpaugh and Akin Tulubas), has recently started up a so called Association, named Turkish Boz Breeders Association. This is a joke, as there are only him and 2 others in it. He doesnt bother to tell unsuspecting people that he concocted this Association himself, in order to decieve people into thinking there is a long standing honored Association, with an ethics code for these fighting dogs. He has made 3 different websites this year, each time, metamorphasizing into a different breed and different stories on the dogs origin. I know, because I helped him make the websites, before I realized that he was a dog fighter. He started out naming his dogs, Malaklis, and then they were Coban Copegis, and now he calls them Boz Shepherds. I still have copies of everything he has posted. If you see the logo below, that is him.
I am deeply concerned for the LGD community as a whole when people are trying to merge in with fighting dogs being shipped in by the Taliban from across the world. It is my opinion that this is a way for them to finance the Pakistany Taliban Army. I do know that Mr. Peckinpaugh is sending money from sales back to Pakistan to a known hater of Americans.
These people are scary. They conned Ms. Brenda Negri out of thousands of dollars. I am also one of their victims.
Here is a video of Akin Tulubas, Brian Peckinpaugh's partner of Natural Born Guardians, fighting one of their dogs. ( and Brian P. says they dont fight dogs)
DOG FIGHTING VIDEOS
( Peckinpaugh and Tulubas claim this doesnt happen over there )
DOG FIGHTING IN PAKISTAN
2 Boz shepherds fighting
Dogs fight to death in Sailkot, Pakistan
Jogi the bully kutta is quite a massive dog. He weighs nearly 190 lbs and stands approx 112 cm. Jogi the bully kutta's jaw is big and his grip is solid like pliers. The best thing about this bully kutta is that his fights don't last any more then 10 minutes, some of his fights even ended up in minute or so. This bully kutta is a real champ. It's quite old to fight now so now they are using it fro breeding purposes, that's was the last report that I had regarding this dog. There is still a conflict some people are saying it's all Pakistan champion and some said it's all Punjab champion, one way or the other jogi has got a reputation which certainly does make him unique then other bully kuttas.
Please visit this FaceBook site to see the testaments from many who are against these Boz People dog fighters